Legends + canon feats for both.- Round 1: TPM Maul- Round Well the score was 2-1 in Maul's favour, and the 2nd one was more of an ambush. The only way Obi-Wan managed to defeat Grievous was due to him cleverly changing the angles he parries Grievous' attack, until he was able to parry his arms rather than his lightsabers. a fight between Vader and Maul would be close as their combat abilities are well-matched. So he’s kind of in the Vader-realm, and he’s a bit severed from what he knew, which was having a master, but he’s well trained by Sidious in all types of Sith ways, not the least of which is manipulation.”. It was only Maul using the force to cave the tunnel in that saved him and Savage during the fight with Kenobi in TCW. This was before Obi-Wan had even mastered form 3 to the degree he had in Revenge of the Sith. You are indeed where you belong. General Grievous: 4% (458) 7. After Grievous shoot & killed Nahdar Vebb, Kit Fisto picked up his lightsaber & fought Grievous with Jar’Kai to the point that Grievous was having a hard time with him. DARTH MAUL - 0:22COUNT DOOKU - 3:06GENERAL GRIEVOUS - 5:00FIGHT BREAKDOWN - 7:47Today, well we’ve got three Sith Lords going head to head! Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak and the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. My stupidly long Reddit post: ... Darth Maul. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. hold off Palpatine's Sith alchemy with her own force power and then cancel it out with some help from Ezra. So 5/10 to either, Going by Legends Grievous probably Maul did not get a lot of feats in the EU and those that he did were on par with the masters Grievous fodderised at times. Thank you. Darth Maul: 6% (632) 5. Maul has a great shot with his alchemical legs, his feats with them are as good as any of Grievous' unless I'm mistaken. Obi wan took them both on and won didn't he? The Vader she fought was stated by the show creators to be in his prime and unhindered by his emotions. I would not say that Maul is significantly above Fisto, not in canon anyway. But that's not what happened. Grievous was literally built for the express purpose of killing force users. Darth Vader: 33% (3422) 2. You're also using scaling in a very strange way. 6/10 to Maul, Going by canon they fought in the Sons of Dathomir comic and staled each other twice iirc. However, Maul also had a long career as a Jedi-killer and assassin. I don't necessarily disagree with your final judgement, I just wanted to point that out. Anakin Skywalker, Obi Wan Kenobi, Qui gon Jin and Mace Windu VS General Grievous, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Chancellor Palpatin. This was before Obi-Wan had even mastered form 3 to the degree he had in Revenge of the Sith. I have to say Maul. I honestly couldn't say. General Grievous' strength in the movies was not shown very well. There are very few scans in this scan battle. And a Light Side Jedi might have qualms about using crush all the way to kill rather than just wounding him. This is why the original clone wars cartoon version of grievous is so much better. In the 2008 Clone Wars series, we see Obi-Wan fighting pretty evenly with both Darth Maul and Savage Opress at the same time. He outright says to Ventress, "we're outmatched.". You can't measure someone's ability in only one metric, like your "Savage is 80% of Maul" bit. Remember to follow the Scan Battle rules, all your claims must be backed up my feats and evidence otherwise your comment will be removed. Grievous has his four light sabers and Maul has his dual saber as well as the dark saber to switch with. Halo 5 Master Chief and Episode 3 General Grievous. Grievous has his four light sabers and Maul has his … He takes on 2 at once pretty well. Not to mention Kenobi beats Grievous but still loses to Maul most of the time. Albeit because of his light saber form, I know not much apart from the movies, but Kenobi had no big struggle beating grevious, it was one sided. Top level comments that are found to break the rules will be removed by the moderators. Grievous 10/10. Maul in Rebels was able to stalemate Ahsoka, who later went toe to toe with Vader and obviously wounded him pretty badly since he was limping out of the temple at the end of the fight. Grand Admiral Thrawn: 6% (636) 4. “Maul is a super dangerous threat because he’s been trained for years, he’s really adept, but he’s broken. So while Darth Maul is an impressive fighter, he's a really bad match up for General Grievous. For support Grievous has his body guards, and Maul has his brother. Grievous is my favorite Prequel addition and it’s because I love a character that doesn’t even exist anymore. Shortly thereafter, however, Maul was captured by his former Sith master, Darth Sidious, and imprisoned on Stygeon Prime. Wasn't the reason GG was all coughy in the movie because a Jedi crushed him? So while Darth Maul is an impressive fighter, he's a really bad match up for General Grievous. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. The battle ground is Dathomir both fighters are at their absolute best and determined to kill each other. Grievous was good but he wasn’t Maul good. It should be noted that Kenobi was a perfect counter to Grievous since was a master of Form III. So it's Darth Maul vs General Grievous from Star Wars. By birth, Maul was a Nightbrother; a clan of male Zabraks from Dathomir who served as warriors and slaves of the dominant Nightsisters. R3- still Grievous, same as R2 Essentially, my argument is that Ahsoka is on a similar level to Vader, so Maul stalemating Ahsoka is therefore an incredibly impressive feat that in my opinion is unmatched by Grievous. This post has been designated as a Scan Battle. The Emperor: 18% (1897) 3. Read them over thoroughly before commenting in this thread. As a reminder, every claim you make in a scan battle must be backed up by a relevant scan or piece of evidence. Press J to jump to the feed. To be fair Kit Fisto could have beaten Grievous if it weren’t for his guards. Shock: And General Grievous the Kaleesh demigod and commander of the droid army. Not sure if it matters but it says Maul at his prime. Fighting her is a lot different than a straight lightsaber duel. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Obi-Wan was beating Grievous handily before the clones attacked and he fled. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. I would say prime maul with a dark saber is above obi wan. Ventress defeated him on Dathomir in a head-to-head brawl, and I think Maul could do the same. But who would win if the two faced each other? But couldn't maul just throw grievous and pin him against the wall with the force? Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. He used form 7, specifically juyo, which was an extremely aggressive form of combat. Darth Maul vs Ahsoka Tano Full Fight Star wars The Clone Wars#starwars Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! Reddit user u/SainttecWalker theoriezed how Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi learned about the high ground from his duel with the Sith assassin, Darth Maul in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. Maybe 60-40 for Grievous. I definitely agree with your breakdown and conclusion, except for one thing. He had problems with Obi-Wan, and he was a more straight forward fighter. So, do you want them from the time of Episode 1 and Episode 3, or can we include their other canon appearances? She was strong in force sorcery, but at the first sign of trouble she hid in a concealed cave and when she was found by Grievous she turned herself into mist to escape. But can you really use scaling when a versus battle relies more on matchups? Other circumstances led to Obi-Wan winning, as in every other fight mentioned here. Round 1: Chief starts with the Assault Rifle and a Magnum with 2 grenades, Grievous starts with 2 sabers on Obi wan defeated grievous but grievous arguably wasn’t at his peak. Season 1 episode 2 Redneck Rowlet 2.0 Previous Guzzlord vs Dark Pit next Shock: Out of all of the foes obi Wan Kenobi's beaten these are the two ones who gave him the hardest trouble and have had robotic clawed legs.. Crossfire: Maul the Dathomirian sith trained from childhood. top 3 or 4 most skilled Jedi of all time and a match for Vader. Talzin is complicated. Maul, the Dathomirian Zabrak male who would become the feared Darth Maul, was born on Dathomir to Kycina, a Human Nightsister of Mother Talzin's coven and a Zabrak father who, by tradition, was murdered after Maul's conception. This and form 5 are perhaps the worst forms to fight Grievous with, because no one could possibly hope to keep up with the offensive capabilities of Grievous with offense. As for the fight, I’d say Maul due to the Force. This is like saying Wedge Antilles has a feat of killing Sidious and Vader because he blew up the Death Star with them on it, or B1 battle droids killed Ki-Adi Mundi while his back was turned as he was fighting the Nova Corps. She had definite power, but not a lot that could really apply to combat unless she had time to prepare and use rituals. Maul is also a super aggressive fighter who could defend himself good because he has 3 blades to fight with. Maul is a Sith Lord "In Name Only" with a hollow title. He could guard against all of his strikes with ease. Random encounter on neutral ground. Grievous also developed a personal vendetta against the Galactic Republic during the war, as the government supported to the Yam'rii. He always came upon her while she was fighting someone else or where she was backed into a corner. In the Clone Wars 2003 animated series, he was shown as easily defeating 5 jedis with the jedis not even making a scratch on him. Star Wars Boss Battle with Darth Maul VS Darth Vader & General Grievous in the NEW Disney Infinity 3.0! Sidious intended to use Maul as bait to lure Mothern Talzin, a Dathomir witchand enemy of the Sith, out of hiding so she could be destroyed. Kenobi was on the back foot for the entire duel on Mustafar, he only won because Anakin made one fatal mistake. If this comment was posted on a thread that is not a Scan Battle, please report it and a mod will come and delete my hard work. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Darth Maul was an extremely skilled lightsaber duelist. In the 2008 Clone Wars series, we see Obi-Wan fighting pretty evenly with both Darth Maul and Savage Opress at the same time. Form 3 was focused on defense above all else, and relied on counters to attack the opponent. He defenitely wanted him alive, and probably enjoyed playing with him. So if Dooku can beat Obi, then the scaling logic would follow that Anakin can beat Obi. Both characters start in a gladiator type arena 20m apart with light cover scattered around and fight bloodlusted to the death. Pretty sure Maul would just Force Grip and tear off his limbs one by one like he was plucking a fly. The son of Mother Talzin, he was trained by Sidious as a Sith assassin and became an incredibly skilled duelist. Because while Obi-Wan matched up relatively evenly with Anakin, Dooku ragdolled Obi during their encounter in ROTS, but Anakin beat Dooku. So I initially planned on splitting up this match between several rounds, but then I realized that it was kind of unnecessary. The battle ground is Dathomir both fighters are at their absolute best and determined to kill each other. Darth Maul (Maul) was a male Dathomirian Zabrak Sith Lord who served as the first apprentice of Darth Sidious. She's more powerful than Maul no doubt, but her magics are much less suited for direct combat. It's like Naruto fans saying Itschi could beat six paths sage mode Madara because he put Naruto and Sasuke under genjutsus once. He knew that Anakin was stronger than him, and behind-the-scenes commentary for RotS confirms it. My point is, how reliable can scaling be in a versus battle compared to matchups alone? Boba Fett: 6% (631) 6. Pretty sure Sidious wasn’t going all out on Maul in that fight. The full rules of a Scan Battle can be found here. R2- but then again without the force even Yoda, Windy, Kenobi, Skywalker etc, couldn’t beat grievous. Grievous never defeated Talzin. She uses subtlety and manipulation mostly, empowering others to do her fighting for her or using complex "spells" to curse enemies. Together, they took control of Mandalore, with Maul becoming its leader. This scaling is further backed up by WoG as Dave Filoni said that Maul's threat level is within the same realm as Vader's. Not that I disagree with your conclusions, but I don’t think “A>B and B>C so A>C” really works here in this scenario. One of the biggest reasons that he had trouble with Obi-Wan was Obi-Wan's fighting style, it was a perfect match against him. I honestly think that Mauls more athletic fighting style would give Grievous a little trouble. If we ignore that, Grievous should have a good shot at taking it. They could be cut down pretty easily I reckon. R1- Maul all day every day. … Battle. But Maul is also a Sith, and technically because of Talzin’s magic Savage is a Sith as well, and Grievous is just an asthmatic cyborg. Cookies help us deliver our Services. As the title says, Darth Maul (Episode 1) vs. General Grievous (Episode 3) in a battle to the death. The guards are mostly there to seal the battlefield and then poke at them with their staves if grievous has any trouble. Both were defeated by the same man. General Grievous VS Darth Maul The epic battle between two fellas that both clearly underestimated Obi-Wan Kenobi. General Grievous' greatest advantage was the speed and ferocity of his strikes. Darth Maul (December 2018) Obi-Wan Kenobi (January 2019) Jango Fett (January 2019) Special (January 2019) Anakin Skywalker (February 2019) Count Dooku (February 2019) Padmé Amidala (March 2019) General Grievous (March 2019) Star Wars: Age of Rebellion. 8/10 to Grievous. Savage Oppress has his saber as well. In the overall battle the magnas aren’t a huge thing for mainland oppres. Darth Maul was in his Physical Prime, although he would have a … And if we go EU? However, they do briefly fight on Zanbar, but neither really gains the upperhand and Maul leaves because the battle is lost, not because Grievous defeats him. The canon Grievous is The Ultimate Jobber. The son of his mother and father, Grievous was a Kaleesh warlord and feared warrior from the planet Kalee. 3) Count Dooku. According to the theory, Obi-Wan's high ground line was in reference to his defeat of Maul. CMIIW. Maul, while being somewhat skilled in Lightsaber dueling, was described by Dooku as being "An Animal. But in the comic Star Wars: Darth Maul - Son of Dathomir, Issue No 4, Darth Sidious and Grievous together attack Maul and Mother Talzin. But I suppose it was Obi wan who did that in the first place. Darth Maul wasn't overly powerful in the force, … If we go by their film appearances I'll give to Maul because we see him kill Qui-Gon and fight two Jedi at the same time, while Grievous runs from Ani and Obi and again runs from Obi again on Utapau. This one I'm not sure about. Obi Wan hammered Oppress and Maul. Grievous learned battle tactics and warfare during Kalee's war against the Yam'rii of Huk. Fight to the death, no morals. For support Grievous has his body guards, and Maul has his brother. They both have about equal speed, but I'll give it to Maul with the Force as an X-factor. But he had to kill Fisto before Anakin arrived, and had no reason to keep him alive. I would say mail is equally aggressive and brutal but has better skills plus his force powers, Grievous is extremely proficient in all 7 forms of lightsaber combat. Grievous killed Talzin, and Talzin is the most powerful being from Dathomir, even more so than Maul and Savage. Their fight took place after grievous had his rib cage force-crushed and he developed the cough. Grievous is in his prime. Hmm, going by movies only I would lean towards Maul but he did go and beat a weaker Obi Wan. 2) General Grievous. I mean his speed is insane but it isn’t random and pretty predictable. He practiced almost non-stop to perfect his craft. Grievous certainly had a chance to see Sidious's face, which is barely covered with his hood. Love him to bits but I couldn’t give him the win on beating anything. The UK Star Wars magazine also states that a fight between Vader and Maul would be close as their combat abilities are well-matched, and while I would be cautious in using a UK exclusive magazine as a primary source for that debate, I'm not as much opposed to it here as it is consistent with WoG and feats shown in Rebels. 1. He’s not necessarily weaker or stronger than the other Jedi that went against Grievous in any of the animated series simply because he beat him, but his skill set was ideal for the situation. But considering that it looks like it was with no-diff I don't understand why any other force sensitive would have trouble with Grievous at all. I think Maul and Grievous are pretty evenly matched, but I think Maul could take him. He first appeared in Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace , where he was ordered by his master to capture Queen Amidala of Naboo in order for her to sign a treaty that would legalize the Trade Federation's invasion of the planet. I don’t think Talzin was very strong when it came to combat. Seemed to me obi one dismantled grevious in their light saber duel. So it's Darth Maul vs General Grievous from Star Wars. Ahsoka was stated by the Rebels crew to be in the top 3 or 4 most skilled Jedi of all time and a match for Vader as well as potentially even Darth Sidious. I wouldn’t say that Grievous killing Talzin is a notable feat since Talzin was holding off both Sidious and Dooku while he just stabs her, also didn’t Maul beat Grievous in previous issue of SoD? The full rules of a Scan Battle can be found here. Grievous during the clone wars had been battle hardened, trained in saber combat under Darth Tyranus himself (he was trained as a Jedi slayer) and had all the capabilities and advantages of his mechanical body. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! If you notice, every single parent comment was removed except for one. Darth Vader – 33 per cent (3422) The Emperor – 18 per cent (1897) Grand Admiral Thrawn – 6 per cent (636) Darth Maul – 6 per cent (632) Boba Fett – 6 per cent (631) General Grievous – 4 per cent (458) Greedo – 4 per cent (399) Moff Gideon – 4 per cent (381) Kylo Ren – 3 per cent (354) Grand Moff Tarkin – 3 per cent (330) The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Grievous 10/10 Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. During the movies, Mace Windu himself said that Obi-Wan was their best chance of defeating general Grievous, due to him being the greatest master of form 3 light saber combat in the universe. Edit: it was Windu, you guys are right. Sidious also wanted to learn more … Round 1: Force Abilities only ... knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. in his prime and unhindered by his emotions. Ahsoka was in fact able to hold off Palpatine's Sith alchemy with her own force power and then cancel it out with some help from Ezra. Though he certainly is a major threat to Grievous, the fact of the matter is, Grievous has fought and beaten Jedi on and ABOVE Maul's caliber. Is that the Quigon with Obiwan fight? During the Clone Wars, Darth Maul allied himself with the Mandalorian splinter faction Death Watch as part of Maul's Shadow Collective. He only managed to do this by giving into the force and letting it guide him. Talzin was fighting Sidious and Dooku when Grievous finished her off. Lucas himself has, for example, explicitly stated that Anakin is a 10 skill-wise while Obi-Wan is a 9. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years later, having survived through his sheer hatred. Don’t forget to leave a LIKE & Comment! Takes on multiple jedi with minimal effort. You are indeed where you belong. General Grievous was the Supreme Commander of the Armies of the Confederacy of Independent Systems during the Clone Wars against the Galactic Republic. There's also how Maul killed Inquisitors in Rebels don't forget that but I'm not sure how they could be scaled. A skilled animal, but an animal nonetheless." By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Grievous vs Maul (Legends Only): Grievous. Maul has better chances in the shown, only Qui gon advantage I see is its size the actor (Liam Neeson) who plays Qui gon is 1.93 tall and the actor (Ray Park) who plays Darth Maul is 1.75. 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